28. Sylvester Estes
Have seen named spelled: Sylvester,Sylvistas, and Sylvestis.
29. Thomas Estes Sr.
Another source states place of birth was Colonial County of King & Queen,Virginia.
Another source states died in 1744.
Another source states died in 1744.
Another source states died in 1744.
Another source states died in 1744.
Martha Haidek 1810 Linwood Blvd, OK City has this line.
Abraham Estes, Jr. died sometime before February 1759. He married for
the first time, sometime before 1717 to Ann, maiden name unknown.
Around 1740, he married for the second time, to Elizabeth Jeeter, who
died in 1774. He moved his family to North Carolina. His son, also
named Abraham, III then had a family. Abraham Estes, III's family is
listed in the 1810 census, under the spelling of Estep. Abraham, III
had died by 1810. Each of his children were named after his own
brothers and sisters. I have listed his wife, simply as Widow.
I have also listed Abraham, III as the child of Abraham, Jr. and of
second wife Elizabeth, but he could very well have been the first male
child of the first marriage, to Ann as ages work better under the
second wife.From Abraham's will and later from a partion (?) suit by Elisha, gives
validity to this generation. .
32. Richard Estes
This is from his fathers will in 1720.
The Will of Richard Estes
In the name of God, Amen, I Richard Estes of St. Georges parish in thecounty of Spotsylvania being of perfect mind and memory do make andordain this my last will and testament, hereby revoking all others by meheretofore made in the manner and form following. ----Im Primus, I dobequeath my soul
to almighty God who gave it to me, my body to the earth from whence itcame in full and stead fast hope of a joyful resurrection to immortallife through the merits and intercession alone of my dear Saviour JesusChrist to be buried in such a manner as my friends shall think proper.Item. I leave to mybeloved wife during her natural life the land andplantation I now live on,together with one-third part of all my estatenot hereafter devised. Item. It is my will and desire that the balance
of my land together with all the rest and residue of my estate shall besold and the money arising there from to be equally divided amongst allmy children .Those to whom I have made advancements is to account for thesame and of their parts which can be ascertained by the accounts in mybook. I do
constitute and appoint my sons Ambrose C. Estes, Richard Estes, BerkleyEstes, and George W. Estes executors to this my last will and testament.In witness whereof I have here unto set my hand and affirmed my sealthis fifth July 1820.Signed sealed and acknowledged to be the last will & testament of
Richard Estes in presence of us .Jos. Chew
John Brock
Richard Estes
William Carter
Richard L. Hyde
At a Court held for Spotsylvania County the 3rd day of September 1832the last will and testament of Richard Estes deceased was proved by theoaths of Joseph Chew, John Brock and Richard L. Hyde three ofthewitnesses thereto and is ordered to be recorded, and on the motion ofGeorge W.Estes and
Richard Estes two of the executors therein named who made oath theretoand together with Anthony Kale, Absalom Rowe, Jonathan Johnson andMarshall Johnson their securities entered into and acknowledged a bond inthe penalty of $16,000 conditioned as the 1aw directs certificate isgranted them for obtaining a probate of said will in due form.Richard and Mary Yancy lived in Hanover that later became Louisa Co. VA.They
were active in the Trinity Church in Fredricksville Parish. Richard diedin Feb
1744. On 23 April 1747, the vestry for the Fredricksville Parish employedmary
as the sexton of the church at North East Creek and allowed her wages of500
lbs of tobacco. On 28 July 1747, Mary Estes a widow, indentured her son
Charles, a poor boy, to learn the carpenter trade. Documented from theParish
Records.The above data is not verified and needs confirmation: Roy EastesCompiler
The family structure and names and dates came from "Estes Geneaolgies,"by Charles Estes.
It should be noted that in his book, Charles has listed Paschal, Richardand Ruenben as his brothers. Many Historians say this is an obviouserror. They are shown here under Richard Sr and also under Charles as inthe book.
33. John Estes Sr
The Story of Elisha, son of John Estes, Sr.
By LeRoy F. Eastes
14 May 2004
Until recently, we have been stymied in our search to find the heritage of Elisha Estes who died in Roane Co, Tennessee. Prior to the writing of his will in 1818, Elisha’s background was clouded with mystery. It is hoped that the following evidence will help to clarify and prove his legacy.
This narrative is be based on court records made possible by Roberta Estes and Robin Willis.
I wish to express my appreciation of the efforts of Roberta Estes in assisting me with this project. Roberta made a research trip to Halifax Co, VA in March of this year 2004 and among other things, she verified the court orders shown in this document.
We know Elisha’s will was written on 6 September 1818 in the Roane County TN and probated at the July 1819 Court session. Therefore, Elisha died some time between these dates. Using the birth dates of his oldest child, we have estimated his birth date between 1729 and 1735 making him between 84 and 90 years old at his death.
Elisha’s oldest child was Elizabeth Estes Crumbliss whose birth date of 1756 was estimated from her age of 94 given in the 1850 Census for Roane Co. TN. The next oldest child was Obadiah Eastes (Estes) who died in Mt Comfort, IN on 19 February 1847. His birth date of 4 July 1758 was calculated from his age given on his headstone in the Estes/Harvey cemetery in Mt Comfort. Elisha two youngest sons David Shipton born 1776 and Elisha, Jr. (08) in 1778 were estimated from the 1850 Census for Pulaski Co. KY. The birth dates of Elisha’s other six children are not known. However, since the place of birth for Elizabeth and the two youngest sons is shown as VA, we assume the others were born there too.
In a study of Halifax and other VA County Court records and Deeds between 1737 and 1779, it was found that three persons were present with the same given and surname of Elisha Estes:
Ø Elisha, Sr. # 01- b: 1712 in K & Q Co., VA - Married Mary Ann Munford - died
in Henry Co., VA 1782 - He was the son of Abraham Estes the immigrant.Ø Elisha, Jr. # 02 - b: 1729, Died 1891 in Franklin Co., VA - Married Francis
Bottom - He was the son of Elisha # 01.Ø Elisha # 07 - d: 1818-19 in Roane Co., TN. His will names 9 children who were
all born in VA between 1756 and 1778.(Since there were so many different Elisha Estes in my records, I assigned
arbitrary ID numbers to each in my files to insure proper identification)
So far, no evidence has been found to specifically identify the parents of Elisha (07). However, the recent ESTES Surname DNA Project has produced several persons who are descendants of the sons of Abraham. One of these is Elisha (07) who died in Roane Co., TN in 1818/19.With this DNA evidence and other reliable sources available, we can now create a credible case to prove that John Estes Sr, son of Abraham Estes the Immigrant, was the father of John Estes Jr., Micajah Estes , Elisha Estes and Moses Estes.
For example, when considering the estimated birth dates for the sons of Abraham and given the birth date range of we have established for Elisha (07), his father has to be another son of Abraham. Elisha (07) cannot be a son of Abraham as he is too young, so he has to be a grandson. Then by a study of the grandsons of Abraham, a careful consideration of available facts and using the process of elimination, it was found that Elisha (07) had to be the son of John Estes, Sr.
The next step was to find and construct a conclusive paper trail to prove that Elisha (07) was in fact, the son of John Estes, Sr. and Elizabeth (Nutty) Pickett.
As a start we find that reliable records show that John Estes Sr. was married to Elizabeth (Nutty) Pickett. For example:
Louisa, VA - Deed Book C 1/2-105, August 1765, John Estes and Nutty his wife of Louisa to Anthony Thomson, £15, 104A on North East Creek adjacent Waddy Thomson, Anthony Thomson, Powers, John Estes and Goldsons line, John Estes’ line. John and Nutty both sign. Witnesses George Lumsden, William Garratt and Wm. Terrell.
Since John Sr. was born abt 1701, and we use the age at his marriage at 21 years, this union would have taken place about 1722 or later. Other records show that John Jr. was born before 1727 so the estimated marriage date would be between 1722 and 1726.
Then we find that John Estes Sr. owned a race track indicating that he was a wealthy man as noted in the following records:
Louisa Road Order Book 18, Louisa, VA, 14-Mar 1742,, John Rhodes & David Cosby appointed to view the way from Stephen Pettus’s to John Estes’s Race Ground to lay off a road, James Nuckols overseeer, to have tithables of John Henson, John Estes, Barret, Gentry, Harris, Yancey.
Louisa Co. Road Order Book 27, , Louisa Co., VA, 11-Apr 1743, John Gentry apptd overseer in stead of James Nuckols; French Haggard & John Saxon added to his company in stead of John Estes and Nicholas Gentry, who are discharged from that road.
Louisa Co., Road Order Book 80, , Louisa, VA, 20-Oct 1743, John Estis appointed surveyor in the room of Richard Estes, dec’d.
Louisa Co, VA , Road Book p 99, , 12-Mar 1744, On motion of John Poindexter to have a road from Estes race ground to north River road, 4 men including John Estes to view and report.
Here is a further detailed explained in an extract from the following article which is not confirmed but informative in nature:
“Tracking the Estes Family”
by J. Quintus Massie -
Published in the The Lousia Co. (VA) Historical Magazine
Volume 27, Number 2, Fall 1996.“John Estes, as surveyor of the roads 2 had an important job. With settlements advancing into the interior of Virginia, it was necessary to open roads. The roads, for the most part, either followed old Indian trails or connected up the roads inside one plantation to those of another. The surveyors not only had to determine the path to take, but also had to make the roads.
To start with, they just blazed trees with an axe and followed those paths as best they could. Then the surveyor would summon all the working men in his neighborhood and clear a wagon trail from one point to another. The early roads in Louisa County were cleared and maintained by groups of "tithables," who were impressed to do the labor. A "Tithable" was a person in a household on which a tax could be levied, such as a male child over 16 or a male slave over 16. They worked under the surveyor of the section of road that was assigned to them.
County road orders illustrate the process of how roads came about. For example, John Estes had a race track and a road was needed to get to it. "On February 14,1742, [Old Style] John Rhodes and David Cosby at the motion of Charles Barret Gent: are appointed to view the way from Stephen Pettus's plantation to John Estes's Race Ground and report to the next court where the most convenient road may be made.3 "On March 14, 1742, [Old Style] John Rhodes and David Cosby being appointed last Court to view the way from Stephen Pettus's to John Estes's Race Ground and to report where the most convenient Road might be made, and now reporting that they find the sd. Road must be carried along William Harris's Cartway over the Horse-pen swamps, and then to follow some blazed trees to the left hand till it comes to the Mill path, and then to follow the same across the River just above the Old Dam, and from there to keep in or near a path that leads up to the sd. Race Ground. It is therefore Ordered that a Road be laid off and cleared accordingly, And James Nuckols is appointed Overseer thereof, And the labouring male Thithables belonging to Charles Barret Gent., John Estes, Nicholas Gentry, John Cosby Quarter,4 - William Harris, Richard Yancy, James Nuckols, and John Henson are allotted the sd. Overseer to assist in clearing the sd. Road and keeping the same in repair.5
It then became necessary that there be a road from the Estes raceground into the North River Road called by the name of Overton's Quarter. The road orders were recorded October 8, 1744. Griffith Dickinson was overseer and the following tithables were enlisted: "John Carr, John Poindexter, Joseph Terrell, David Cosby, William Saxon. James Overton, Armistead Quarter under Robert Ellis Overseer of the same road Smiths Quarter, John McDowel, Thomas Gresham, Moses Estes, Robert Estes, James Johnson, William Hendrake, John Shelton's quarter, Edward Stringer, James Hower's quarter, William White, Major Morris's quarter and John Say (Seay) and it was ordered that they be exempted from all other roads.6 In this instance, Moses Estes and Robert Estes were helping supply labor to build the road. This is just a sample of the effort that the Estes family put on that important thing, the roads.
(NOTE: the Moses Estes and Robert Estes mentioned here were John’s brothers, not his
sons in 1744. This Moses moved to Halifax Co. in 1772 and Robert went to
Lunenburg Co.)These particular roads were built to provide access to Estes's raceground. Malcolm Harris in his History of Louisa County also mentions a race ground at Buck Hill in the 1700's.7 It seems that horse racing may have been a favorite pastime in the early days of the county.”
Foot Notes:
2. Sometimes the title used is "surveyor of highways", and sometime the title used is
"overseer of highways".
3. The date recorded in the road order book is February 14, 1742, although the date was
actually 1743; likewise the March 14 order as 1742 even though it too was actually 1743.
In the "old style" records, they did not start change to the new year until late spring.
4. "Quarter" refers to property where the owner does not reside, but rather has an overseer
to work the land. Thus, John Cosby's slaves that worked on the "quarter" would be used
for the road work.
5. Nathaniel Mason Pawlett, Louisa County Road Orders 1742-1748 (Charlottesville, VA:
VIrginia Highway and Transportation Research Council, 1975), p.5.
6. Pawlett, p. 14.
7. Malcolm H. Harris, A History of Louisa County p. 132.
8. Louisa County Will Book 2, p. 127. Will of John Estes. 25 Oct. 1771.(Ed: Later this will be
proved to be incorrect)*********************************
We know that John Estes Sr. had a son, John Jr. as proven in several records, for example:
Louisa Co. , VA, A-281, 21-Sept 1748, Henry Milles of Fredericksville Par., Louisa Co., to Robert Estes, same, £6, 300A adj Milles and Symes. Witness Thomas Gresham, John Estes, John Estes, Jr., Mycage Estes.
This shows a son John Jr. and a Micajah who were at least 21 years old in 1748 to be able to witness court records. This also indicates they were both born by 1727.
A will has never been found for John Estes Sr. and probably no longer exists. Louisa Co. was formed from Hanover Co. in 1742 and Hanover is listed as a “Burned County” where most records were destroyed.
There is however, a widely distributed will that has been often miss-interpreted as being for John Estes Sr. The reason - probably because he was born in abt 1701 and the will date of 1771 would seem realistic. An example of this misconception can be seen in Foot Note 8 of Tracking the Estes Family above. Here is an extract of this will:
Louisa Co. VA Will Book 2, page 127, - 9-Dec 1771 - Will of John Estis dated 25 Oct 1771. “As much of my tract of land in Louisa County on North East Creek to be sold as will pay my just debts .... remainder, including houses, orchards and plantations whereon I lately lived be saved for son Abraham Estes to be delivered to him or his lawful heirs when he arrives to the age of 21 years ....I give to my son John Estes one cow.... I lend to my beloved wife Ursula Estes all the rest of my estate both real and personal .... to bring up my four youngest children.” After her death, to be equally divided between my daughters Barbary, Molley, Sarah and son Abraham Estes. 100A conveyed to my friend, Clifton Allen, confirmed as bargained and sold to him. “And lastly I appoint my beloved son John Estes (and my wife Ursula Estes my executor and executrix.” Signed John Estes. Dated 1771. Witness Thomas Johnson, Samuel Meek, Elizabeth Rose. Bond set at £1,000. John Estes, Ursula Estes, Thos. Johnson & Nehemiah Watson bound.”
This will cannot be for John Estes, Sr. for the following reasons:
This will was for John Jr. since the spouse was Ursula and we have already proven in court records that John Sr.’s wife was Elizabeth (Nutty ) Picket. Note initiator of the will John Jr., also had a son John who was 21 or more since he was named an executor. This would be John Estes III.
The statement “.... to bring up my four youngest children.” - and then names Abraham (under age), Molley (Mary?) , Barbary and Sarah - implies that all four are young and hardly expected of a 70 year old man (John Sr.).
The John who died in 1771 has a wife Ursula and their four young children which would take several years - so, he could not been married to Elizabeth “Nutty” Pickett in 1765 when they both signed a property transfer sale. There is only a 6 year difference in time.
Other research has shown that Ursula’s maiden name was Rowe.
As we move on we find:
Virginia Land Office, Book 33 Page 698, 3 March 1760, Fauquier to John Estes - a tract of 1150 acres in the County of Halifax on the Popular and Little pole cat Creeks, adjoining Fountain, Ponton and Bottom.
This is where John Estes Sr. first acquired the 1150 acres that is later divided into four 288 acre tracts for his sons John Jr.,. Micajah, Elisha and Moses. This record was also shown in Estes Trails April- July issue page 5 - part of article, “Micajah Estes and the Name Game.” by Garmon Estes
Halifax Will Book 0-133, Halifax, VA, Aug 19 1761, Charles Smith Accounts - Pd Charles Estes - Received of Micajah Estes
Lousia Co., VA Deed book C 0- 1764-1765 P- 32-34, 12 January 1764. Reuben Estes and Delphe Estes, his wife sells land on both sides of North East Creek.
Rueben was a brother to Charles Estes. This may have been when Rueben and Charles left VA and moved to Greenville Co., District 96, SC. Both are there in 1790 living close to Elisha Estes (07) and assumed to have been there for some time.
NOTE: Halifax voting laws excluded all woman, men under 21, people of color, former Catholics, or anyone convicted of crime in England or Ireland. Everyone else were required to vote. But they must own land for 1 year unless inherited, 50 acres undeveloped, 25 acres with house 12 ft sq in Co. where he gives vote.
Halifax Co., VA Colonial Poll and Tithables Lists by Mary B. Warren -
for 17 July 1765 Halifax Co., show:
Mr. Edward Booker’s List - Elishe Estis p - 9
Mr. John Donilson’s List - Elisha Eastis p- 13
Mr. Thomas Green’s List - Ambros Eastiss p - 401Notice there are two Elishas listed on two separate lists so they had to be land owners. One of these is Elisha (02) brother of Ambrose and had land on Turkey Cock Creek in what later became Pittsylvania Co. The other is Elisha (07).
In 1771, there was a court case involving Ambrose and his brother Elisha (02). The case was dismissed as Elisha (02) was no longer lived in Halifax County. At this time we already know that Elisha (01) is in Henry Co. This is important as it shows that Elisha (07) was the only Elisha left in Halifax Co. by 1771.
Halifax Co., VA Court Order P 5-269 Index, 1766, Tithes of def (Elijah and Micajah) to work on rd - Cow Ford to River Rd
Elisha was usually pronounced Eli - sha - and could have been phonetically misspelled.
No other Elijah was found in this area at this time.Halifax Co., VA Court Order P 6-253 Index, 1768, Elisha and Micajah and tythes to work on road, David Powell surveyor
The following is a very important Court Record that contains the proof that the four men are sons of John Estes, Sr.
Halifax Co., VA, Court Proceedings 7: 204; Plea Book 39: 120, 27-Aug 1770, Whereas by pat 3 Mar 1763 granted unto John Estes, and whereas the said John Estes, Micajah Estes, Moses Estes and Elisha Estes in whom the right of said land is since become vested have failed to pay quitrents, George Boyd sued and obtained grant for same.
First, the statement can be divided into two parts “Whereas by pat 3 Mar 1763 granted unto John Estes,” Here the court acknowledges that John Estes Sr. owned the land since he acquired it on 3 March1763.
Then the second part, - “whereas the said John Estes, Micajah Estes, Moses Estes and Elisha Estes ‘in whom the right of said land is since become vested’ -“
The term “ Vested” when used in legal terms, means “fixed; settled; not contingent on anything or - to place (authority) power, property rights (etc) in control of a person or group.” (Source - Webster’s and Funk & Wagnall’s dictionaries.)
Here the court recognizes the that the land was already in the names of the four men. This may have been in a will that has never been found or transferred in some other legal manner to the four men.
Although it is not stated specifically, anyway we study this court order, it says these four men were the sons of John Estes, Sr. Why else would an expensive piece of property valued at a minimum of 1150 pounds be placed into the hands of these four men?
This is the proof of the relationship!
Quitrents were like taxes only they were paid to the Church, failure to do so meant losing your property. This was after all, pre-revolutionary days and the Counties were still Colonies under the King. In this case, the four men could not pay the quitrents and the land was granted to George Boyd. Just like today, if you don’t pay your property taxes, - it’s sold.
Seven months later in 1771, we find the following:
Halifax deed book 8-142, Halifax, Va, 21-Ma 1771 - George Boyd to Elisha Estes of Halifax, for 3 pounds, 288 acres Messuage tract both sides Poplar Creek - Byrd's lines - no witnesses
It should be noted that the term Messuage Tract, means a parcel with a home or buildings. This is essentially a gift! A look at the going rate for land in this time period in Halifax Co. was some place between just over an acre for a pound up to about 6 acres for a pound. Clearly the amount of acres for a pound would vary by its quality as farm land. The land in Halifax that they owned was prime land on river road, so indeed, Elisha’s purchase was on the “very good” side of the chart.
Halifax Co. Deed Book 8 - page 140, 21 March 1771, between George Boyd and Micajah Estes, both of Halifax Co., 60 pounds for a tract of 288 acres lying on a branch of Poplar Creek in Halifax Co.
Again, this is a small payment for 288 acres of land! It would seem there is a very strong tie between the Estes family and George Boyd that would account for these remarkable buys! But, a search of the Boyd lines and talking with Boyd researchers, no marriage connection before this date has not been found.
These court records above were also shown in Estes Trails April- July issue page 5 - part of article, “Micajah Estes and the Name Game,” by Garmon Estes
Halifax Co VA deed book 8-498, - 19 Nov 1772, From Elisha Estes of Halifax to Nathaniel Manson of Charlotte Co for Alexander Shaw and company - mortgage only on 288 acres on Poplar creek for 11 pounds, 13 shillings and 4 pence debt plus int and exp - Manson to sell land for best price he can get, to wait until next June before he sells - rest of money if any goes to Estes - bounded as described in deed from Capt. Boyd to Estes - Elisha signs - wit George Boyd Jr, James Irvine, Nash Glidewell
Elisha mortgages his 288 acres. Apparently, he later paid the mortgage on time as he still has the land in 1776.
Halifax, VA, Deed book 8-522, 17-Dec 1773, Micijah Estes to Nathaniel Manson of Charlotte Co for Alexander Shaw and Co., 236 acres on Poplar Creek adjoining Capt. George Boyds, Fontaines and Thomas Davenports - debt 26 pounds, 16 shillings, 3 pence - get best price he can - wait till June to sell - remainder if any to Estes - signed Mycaiah Estes due June Next (1773) - wit George Boyd, James Irvine, Nash
Here we find that Micajah mortgages his land too.
Halifax Deed Book 10 p 193. Nov 2, 1776 - Elisha Estes of Halifax Co., to William Powell of Halifax, for 10 lbs, all that tract of land in Halifax Co., on Poplar Cr, about 11 acres bounded by George Boyd. Signed Elisha Estes. Wit William Terry, Moses Estes, William Rice. Recorded May 15, 1777.
Here Elisha sells 11 of his 288 acres for 10 pounds.
3 years later we find:
Halifax Co. Deed Book 10 page 382, at November Court - 17 November 1779, Elisha Estes to Nicolas Vaughn of the same place, 1000 pounds for a tract of 277 acres in Halifax Co., situated and laying on the both sides of Popular Creek touching Boyd’s line and Fountain’s line. This is the messuage track. - Elisha signs.
Halifax, VA Deed Book11-382, at November Court, 18-Nov 1779, Jane Estes, wife of Elisha was examined privately and she relinquished her dower rights to the land on Poplar Creek. Elisha Estes to Nicholas Vaughn - 277 acres both sides Poplar Creek - Touched on Boyd’s line and Fountain's line -This is the Messuage Track - Elisha signed
Definition of “Dower Rights” - “That part of a husband’s property which his widow inherits for life.”
This is a very important item as it shows Elisha’s spouse was Jane. Note that the initial record was dated 17 November. Then the next day - 18 November, Jane appears in Court to relinquish her claim to the property.
There are no further records in VA for Elisha (07) and Jane after this date in 1779. Apparently, this is the time they moved to Greenville Co., SC. They were there in the 1790 census and had probably been there for some time next to Charles Estes, Sr.
Halifax Co., VA Deed Book 12-80, , , 21-Dec 1780, Micajah Estes to Nicholas Vaughan 150 acres on Poplar creek joining lands of Vaughan, William Powell, William Younger, Moses Estes and Fontaines signed Micagah Estes - wit George Boyd, William Owen, William Terry, William Douglass
Halifax Co., VA Court Order P 10-175 Index, 1780, Nicholas Vaughan and Micajah Estes, deed ack
Micajah is selling part of his holdings.
We know that Micajah’s land adjoins Moses land (son of Abraham) because it also adjoins William Younger, Moses neighbor. Moses (son of John Sr. and brother to Elisha) had left for the Pendleton District, SC at this time, which would indicate why he never bought back any land from George Boyd. We know that John Jr. did not buy any land back because he was dead in 1771 and it was not shown in his will. This Moses (son of Abraham) stayed in Halifax Co. and did buy his land from George Boyd but it was a different tract, located at the head of Reedy Creek.
1782 Halifax Co., VA Personal Property Tax List
Name Tithes Negros Horses Mules Cattle
Ambrose Estes 1 5 2 - 11
Moses Estes 1 1 4 - 18
Moses Estes, Sr. - - 2 - 7
George Estes 1 - 1 - 3Here in 1782 we find all of the Estes men have moved out of Halifax Co., except those
shown above. Moses son of John Estes Sr. is not one of those above as he has already moved to Pendleton District, SC. He is shown there in the 1790 Census with a family of 5. Although Micajah did not move away, he did not pay taxes this year. He may have leased his land and the tenants paid the tax.The 1790 Census for Greenville Co., SC shows Elisha (07) living next to Charles Estes Sr. Elisha and Charles were 1st cousins as their fathers, John Estes Sr. and Richard Estes were brothers. A plat of Elisha’s land shows 575 acres on Little Horse Creek. We believe that Elisha had moved to this location when he sold his property in Halifax Co., VA in 1779. We don’t know at this point when Elisha and Jane sold the 575 acres in Greenville Co. but they next show up in:
Laurens Co., SC 18 Nov 1797, Book F page 332. Samuel Neighbours to Elisha Eustis for 32 pounds, tract on Line Cr adj Indian boundary Line. Wit: Joel Webb, Fleet Neighbours. Reuben Plyles JP.
The 1800 Census for Greenville Co. SC taken in August, shows that Charles Estes Sr. and his sons Charles Jr. and Obadiah are still in Greenville Co., but Elisha and Jane are missing.
However, the 1800 Census for Laurens Co., SC, shows Elisha with one female over 45 and one male under 10. We assume this is Jane and probably a grandson.
Then in 1801, 13 months later, we find:
Laurens Co., SC Deed Book H, page 34 -9/24/1801 - 5/7/1804. Elisha Eastis (Estes?) to Saml Nieghbors of Greenville Co. for 32 English pounds, ? a. on Old Indian Boundry Line on Line Creek. Wit: Zedikiah Neighbors, Thos. Mears. (Joseph Downes, Justice of the peace)It appears that this sale took place in 24 Sept 1801 and not registered with the Court until 7 May 1804. Things like this and even more confusing actually did happen!
Note that Samuel Neighbors sold this land to Elisha in 1797 for 32 pounds and in 1801 Elisha sells it back to Sam for the same amount. This might indicate a family connection. We know that Elisha’s will names a daughter Jenny Neighbors, so Samuel may have been Elisha’s son in-law. However, no evidence of this relationship has been found so far.
We know Elisha’s will did not show a spouse in 1818, so Jane disappears between 1800 and 1818. We speculate that she died in 1801 and this could be the reason Elisha sold his land.
Its possible that Elisha had moved to Roane Co, TN to be near one of his children. However Elizabeth and her husband Thomas Crumbliss did not arrive in Roane Co. until 1811. Elizabeth, Elisha’s oldest daughter, married Thomas Crumbliss, a Revolutionary War soldier, probably in Greenville Co., SC. Their oldest daughter Alice Crumbliss was born in 1785 so they were probably married in 1783/84. Alice married Tandy Senter in 1813. So, just when Elisha moved to Roane Co., TN is still a mystery.
The 1850 Roane Co. TN Census Page 427 shows:
Tandy Center age 88, b: VA, Farmer $8000
Allis (Alice) age 65 b: SC
Elizabeth Crumbless age 94, b: VA, - Blind (This establishes Elizabeth’s birth date at 1756.Since Elizabeth was born in 1756, we can estimate Elisha and Jane’s marriage date as 1754/55. Our first record of Elisha (07) is when he first appears in the Halifax Co., VA Colonial Poll and Tithables Lists for 17 July 1765, Halifax Co.
The search for the legacy of Elisha is still far from complete. We don’t know where he was before he appeared in the 1765 Tax List. We still do not know where he was born or where he and Jane were married and we do not know her maiden name. At least two of his children Elizabeth and Obadiah were born before 1765 in VA, but where? The two youngest sons were born in 1776 and 1778, so were born in Halifax Co. There is also a blank spot between 1801 when Elisha sold his land in Laurens Co., SC and the time he made his will in 1818. In his will it shows he had furniture, farm tools, and some live stock, so he must have been a farmer and not living with another person. Unfortunately there are no Census records for Roane Co., TN for 1810.
So, there plenty of areas for further research and we must move on! At least another piece is added to the puzzle and we know more now, than we did before!
Conclusions:
John Estes and Elizabeth “Nutty” Pickett had other children. However, this narrative concerns only in proving they also had sons John Jr., Micajah, Elisha (07) and Moses. We know these four men frequently interacted together in legal transactions shown in many court records, indicating they had a close family relationship.
I have always been a strong advocate that we need to show “creditable” evidence to prove genealogical relationships. But we all know that sometimes critical paper records showing positive evidence simply no longer exists. Therefore, we will never move forward unless, after careful examination, we accept obvious records such as presented here in this document.
So, in the absence of traditional paper evidence, we have taken another step and looked deeper into the facts at hand. By using DNA Test Results, together with a logical analysis of existing records, we feel we have created an air tight case.
Finally, it is my belief that the amount of evidence shown in this document makes it safe to conclude without a doubt, that Elisha Estes and his brothers, John Estes Jr., Micajah Estes, Moses Estes were in fact the sons of John Estes Sr. and Elizabeth (Nutty) Pickett.
I feel its time for me to accept this evident conclusion and move forward with my search to solve other mysteries in this line.
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66. John Estes Jr.
From ESTES-L Archives:
From: Marayong <dragon@triode.net.au <mailto:dragon@triode.net.au>> Subject: john and ursula Estes Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:44:16 +1000
G'day folks,I got a very interesting email today which I will attach below. It
concerns the Ursula who was married to a John Estes of Louisa Co.Contrary to the assumption amongst Estes researchers, Ursula was a Rowe,
not a Johnson ... after John Estes died in 1771, she was the mistress of
Maj. Thomas Johnson.In 1798 there was a court case in which John, the s/o John & Ursula, was
the plantiff. In the court note it says that in 1774/1775 he was aged
24-25 (ie: born 1750).This is significant in it's bearing on which John was married to Ursula
.. John b.1700 or his son, John Jr. born in the 1720's. Various deeds do
establish that John (c.1700) had a son, John Jr, born before 1730. Since
Ursula's son, John (No.3) was born c.1750, Ursula cannot have been
married to John Sr (c.1700) since his son, John, was born before 1730.
The John who died 1771 (Louisa/Orange) was married to Ursula, thus the
John who died 1771 had to have been John Jr, not John Sr (c.1700). John
Sr presumably having died before then (I estimated c.1765 in an article
I wrote in Estes Trails).Hope that makes sense ... having three generations of John's does make
for a confusing explaination. :)Note also that there are other Estes-Rowe connections in the area as well.
cheers,
David Powell***************
Subject: Re: Ursula (Rowe) Estes
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 01:43:53 EDT
From: Rhoda______
To: dragon@triode.net.au <mailto:dragon@triode.net.au>Dear Mr. Powell. I have just visited your website and it is really a
great site! I read your article on John Estes and his wife Ursula and
do have a correction for you. Recently I have been working on one of
the Johnson families of Hanover/Louisa Cos. and have come up with
information which differs from what you have on Ursula. In your article
you stated, in part:"As a postscript, it appears that the John Estes who died in 1771 was in
some trouble in the last years of his life. Shortly after his last
child, Mary, was born in 1767, she was living in the household of Thomas
Johnson.[3] This was probably the Thomas Johnson who was Ursula's father."Major Thomas Johnson was not Ursula's father. After the death of her
husband, John Estes, Ursula became the mistress of Major Thomas Johnson
(who was a widower) and had several illegitimate children by him and
that was the reason that Mary Estes was living in the household of
Thomas Johnson. Many genealogies give Ursula as the wife of Major
Thomas Johnson but not true.
CHRONICLES OF THE SCOTCH-IRISH SETTLEMENT OF VIRGINIA; Vol 2,
by Lyman ChalkleySEPTEMBER, 1798 (H to Z). John Johnson vs. Samuel Wilson--Deposition of
Ursula Estes before William Thomson and Jno. Downing, Justices of
Louisa, 6th March, 1798, says about 1774-'75 she lived with Major Thos.
Johnson, deceased, who gave her for her interest for her son John (the
plaintiff), a slave, &c.; this slave was exchanged for another who had
been the property of Thos. Johnson, deceased, son of the said Major. The
plaintiff was aged 24 or 25. Ursula was mistress of Major Johnson and
had many children by him. Major Johnson had a son Henry A. Johnson. The
Johnson's were from Louisa. Deposition of Sarah Rice, widow of Tandy
Rice in Fluvanna County, 1798, 5th March.(Note from Rhoda: the deceased son Thomas and son Henry A. Johnson were
Major Johnson's sons by his deceased wife Elizabeth.)The births of three of Major Johnson's children by Ursula are in the
Douglas Register. When entering births, Rev. Douglas always used the
woman's maiden name (a great boon to genealogists) and therefore, Ursula
is referred to as Ursula Rowe rather than Estes.From The Douglas Register:
Maj: Tho: Johnson & Urcila Row, a child Lucy born July 14, 1781.
Baptized Aug. 21 1785. p. 115.
Maj. Tho: Johnson & Urcila Row, a son James born Sep: 29, 1783.
Baptized Aug. 21, 1785. p. 115
Maj. Tho: Johnson & Urcila Row, a child Alicia, born Jan: 25 1785.
Baptized Aug. 21, 1785. p. 115.Major Johnson already had four legitimate sons by his deceased wife
Elizabeth (Ashton). In addition to Thomas and Henry A. mentioned above,
he also had sons Richard and George, and he provided well for them early
on. Therefore, in his will, he only mentioned his illegitimate children
which he referred to as his "natural" children.(Louisa Co., VA Will Bk. 4, p. 40) Will of Thomas Johnson, Senr. of
Trinity Parish; to my natural sons John, William, Robert and James all
my land and tenements equally. To daus. Jane, Lucy and Alice all money
from a judgment in general court against Thomas Johnson (sheriff) & John
Poindexter; 120 to Jane; 120 to Lucy and balance to Alice. appoint sons
John and William exors. 4 Nov. 1795. wit. Richard Paulett, Barbara Dobb,
Ursula (X) Estes, Abraham Estes. Rec. 8 Jan. 1798.I hope that you will find some of the above of interest.
Sincerely,
Rhoda
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38. Moses 03 Estes
This is from his fathers will in 1720.
40. Elisha 01 Estes
This information is from his fathers will dated 1720.